From Park Avenue to Park Bench and Back: Joe Rivera's Journey of Redemption

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Thinking big, uh, I want to
welcome Joe Rivera onto the show.

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And before we start, before we
go anywhere, I want to start

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with Joe is from New York.

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You're going to know Joe is from New
York and there may or may not be a few.

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F bombs.

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You never know in this episode.

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Uh, so Joe, welcome to the show, man.

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Thanks for having me, man.

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Thanks for clearing that up, man.

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I can't hide that I'm from
New York, even if I tried.

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Yeah, there's, there's
no hiding that at all.

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It's like people from Texas,
you know, they're from Texas.

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Well, I, we know you're from New York.

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So we actually met God, I want to say,
uh, probably a little over a year ago,

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uh, I can't believe it's been that long.

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Yeah, it's been almost a year
and a half probably with, uh,

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through the program and stuff.

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And we met, uh, through a public
speaking program, uh, called HPS.

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You know, there's, uh, people
listening might be familiar

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with the heroic public speaking.

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Great program, by the way.

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Uh, but we met going through there and
One of the wonderful things about going

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through that, that program was there
was such a vast array of why people,

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why each person was wanting to speak
on stage, what, what message people

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were trying to put out to the world.

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And.

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What was the big message?

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Like, why did you want
to say, you know what?

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I'm, I'm going to go to
this heroic public speaking.

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I want to get this message out.

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What was that initial message that was
really inside you that you wanted to?

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It's like, I've got to
start sharing this on stage.

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I've got to start doing this as
a keynote speaker or whatever,

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you know, whatever, uh, you know,
stage speaking that you want to do.

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But what was that initial gut that said,
you know, I've, I've got to do this.

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I've got to make this decision.

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Well, uh, first off, shout
out to core 20, right?

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Oh, yeah.

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That was HBS.

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Um, and, um, I mean, for me, it was,

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man, I've been blessed, man.

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I've been given a gift to, to be able
to do life again at a high level.

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And man, I asked for so many years,
you know, uh, you know, how do I

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give this gift back because I went
from park Avenue to park bench, you

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know, You know, I was emotionally,
financially, and spiritually bankrupt.

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I lost everything.

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You know, I even lost my life.

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I have my dream job in the
financial industry as a stockbroker.

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In the early two thousands, I'm 25
years old, making seven figures a year.

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I should feel like I'm on top of
the world at this point, but seven

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figures a year, that ain't good enough.

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I wanted more.

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I wanted eight figures or nine figures.

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And at this point in my life.

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Being spiritually bankrupt, money was
the only higher power that I knew.

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I was willing to do whatever
it took to make more money.

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I was putting in late nights at
the office one evening and this

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dude, we call him Johnny connect.

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We call him that because he had
the connections to get his hands

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on anything you could imagine.

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And keep in mind, we're in New York.

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So this dude swears
he's part of the mafia.

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He sits down at my desk and he says, Hey,
Joe, you think you're a top producer now?

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Take this little round
pill and forget about it.

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You're going to produce even more.

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Wall street was also known as drug street
and everyone's doing some kind of drug.

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I'm already smoking weed, drinking,
or having some kind of mind altering

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substance in my body every single day
for the past 10 years at this point.

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So I said, fuck it.

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Why not?

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And that's when I got introduced
to opiates and that's when my

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battle with substance abuse,
Took off to the next level

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now.

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I'm gonna ask you a
question here before you go.

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I'm gonna ask you a question
Was there any red flags when

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his name is Johnny connect any?

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Look him back.

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Was there any red flags
that said, you know what?

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But I was overcoming all those red
flags, you know, I was just like,

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you know, I was risking my life every
single day You know, I overdosed twice

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The last time, it took six cans of
Narcan to bring me back to life.

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Six fucking cans of Narcan.

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And that same night, I'm laying in
the hospital bed, I wake up, I pull

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that EKG electrode off my body, leave
the hospital against medical advice.

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And then when I get outside,
it's the middle of winter.

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I'm in a hospital gown, shivering, looking
like a crackhead, like Pookie from New

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Jack City, because of all those opiates
that were being taken out of my system.

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And the first thing that I do, Sean, I
called the dealer again to go get high.

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Yep.

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That's, that's a week.

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That's what we do.

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You know, and, and thinking that
that's the right thing to do.

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Right.

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And thank God a week or two later,
my sister invited me for an event

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and at that event, I don't remember
what it was, but something clicked.

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I looked at my sister, she looked
at me and we both started crying.

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She knew exactly what I was going to say.

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And then the words came out.

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The words my family was waiting
to hear for over a decade.

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I said, I don't want to
do this anymore, sis.

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I'm a shell of my true self.

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I'm tired of writing my obituary.

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I want to begin creating my legacy again.

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After that, I made the
decision to achieve sobriety.

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And you asked what, what made
me want to share this message?

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Because after achieving sobriety,
I was able to build a multimillion

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dollar IPO marketing company.

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And even though I'm crushing
it and living this incredible

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life, something was missing.

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God kept nudging at me and
pulling at me, telling me that

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my journey is not complete.

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And then I had a bigger purpose in life.

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And that's when I decided, you know what?

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I'm not going to argue with
the man upstairs, especially

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after he saved my life.

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And that's when I decided to build this
coaching and speaking platform, because

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for so many years I was asking God,
like, how do I give this back to you?

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You saved my life.

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I literally overdosed twice.

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All the times I got home without
remembering how I got home by the

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grace of God, I could have been dead
those nights like you saved my life.

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How do I give it back?

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I can't give it back in a
spiritual, in a physical form.

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You're a spiritual being.

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How do I give that back?

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Can't give you nothing materialistic.

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And he kept saying, go
share your message, man.

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Go share what I gave you.

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Share the gift.

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If I don't give it
back, I'm being selfish.

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So that's what got me to
wanting to master this craft.

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Yeah.

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And I think that's, you know, for
a lot of people who've gone through

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a struggle, that is one thing that
is, I know it's not that it's hard

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to come to that conclusion, but it's
like, you do, you have that feeling.

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You have that something keeps pulling you.

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To go and to do that,
to help other people.

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And I think that's, uh, I don't know
if it's, you know, just humanity.

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It's like once we figure something
out, you know, and we know that

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how much pain that we were in and
how much struggle that we were in.

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And if we can help just
one person get through.

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Some shit somehow, you know, somewhere,
then it's worth, you know, it's worth

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the struggle of going up and doing that.

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And, you know, you mentioned that you
had that one moment and it's like,

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if you look back and you dug deep, I
would be interested to know what that

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catalyst was that finally woke you up.

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It's like, what was,
what was that one thing?

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And everyone, so everyone goes
through shit in life, right?

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We all have crap that happens in life.

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And it's like, we've got
to pay attention to those.

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Yeah.

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Little things that happen where the
universe, God, whatever you want

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to, whatever you want to say is
trying to tell us, Hey, Joe, Hey,

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Sean, wake the up and do something.

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And it's like, what, you know,
what do, can you pinpoint

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like what that catalyst was?

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Like, what was the, was it
just that event or was there

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something that, that happened?

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Like, I got to get out of that.

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I got to stop this shit.

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I mean,

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the second overdose definitely
was, was part of it.

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Right.

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I mean, I didn't want to die.

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You know what I mean?

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Like I, I, I never wanted
to once kill myself.

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I wasn't doing drugs and
saying, Oh, I want to die.

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You know, it wasn't like that.

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But I just, life was unmanageable.

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I just, I didn't care.

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You know, I didn't care
enough to save my life.

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I didn't care enough to help myself.

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My family was out there trying to
help me over and over and over again,

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but I wasn't ready to help myself.

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And unless you're ready to help yourself.

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You're never going to do it.

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So I think I just got sick and
tired of being sick and tired.

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And that personal development event
helped me just have that moment of

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clarity for that moment of clarity of
like, shit, I don't want to be like this.

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I'm literally a shell of who I am of
the person that I know that that exists.

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And I think it was, it was more of, of
that, of just being sick and tired of,

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of having those, those moments of not
having clarity, those moments of life

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being unmanageable, the moments of,
of disconnect from that higher source.

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Yeah.

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And it's, you know, in, in.

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Again, sometimes these aren't events
that we can pinpoint, but you said to

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me, it's like going back to feelings.

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It's like for me, and I think for you too.

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It's like, I didn't really realize
how bad things were like for me.

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Yes, I had bad days.

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And yes, again, like you, I
wasn't trying to kill myself.

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I wasn't trying to, I was just being me.

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And I was either too stupid to
know or too naive to understand

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what I was really doing.

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But those feelings are the same.

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It's the feelings of, you know,
just being a shell of who you are.

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And you can feel that.

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It's like, I knew that, like, I
didn't know I was doing bad things,

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but I knew that I wasn't, you know,
I remember one time just looking down

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at my hand and thinking, There's more
to this hand than just this skin.

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There's more, there's more to
me than, than what I'm doing.

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And it's like, those feelings is what
we need to really pay attention to.

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It's like the, you know, the feelings
of, you know, and we get these, you

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know, what you said, nudges all the time.

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It's like, we got to pay the F
attention to these nudges that we get.

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Cause we get them all the time.

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Yeah.

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Those, those nudges of that
are so obvious at times.

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And we ignore when we're in
that state of, of, of addiction.

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Alcohol, whatever you
want to call it, right.

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Um, of, of life being unmanageable and
there's so much chaos going on in, in,

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in, in, in your life at that moment.

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And you're not paying
attention to those nudges.

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You're ignoring them, but
you know, they're there.

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Like I felt those nudges for a
long time and I just kept ignoring

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it because I wanted to numb
the pain I was going through.

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I lost my mom.

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And my life went really dark.

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I mean, it was just upside down and
I wanted to numb the pain that I

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was going through from that loss.

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I didn't know how to handle it.

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So those nudges and it was so obvious
at times, like, shit, you got to stop.

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Your life is literally
on the line every day.

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And I just kept ignoring them and
kept just bypassing the stop signs.

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And, um, man, I come to learn
that all those years that I

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was trying to block that pain.

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Of the loss of my mom, I
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I was blocking being able to
literally feel my mom's spirit

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through my body every single day.

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There's not a day that goes by now
that I don't feel it because I'm sober.

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I'm able to feel things.

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I'm able to sit with myself and connect
like I wasn't able to do before.

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Yeah.

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So.

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You know, so this event happened and
this was kind of your catalyst to

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like, okay, I'm, I'm gonna change.

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This is, this is, I'm done with this shit.

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You know, that was kind of the
catalyst that, that, that took

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you, took you out of there.

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What are.

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Some of the things or what are, what,
what's some of the process that you

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went through to, uh, really start again,
bouncing back from being at that low spot.

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It's like, it takes steps.

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We can't go from, you know,
the park bench all the way

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back up to, you know, the best.

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We, there's a process that we
have to do and there's, you know,

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we have to have persistence.

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We have to have, you know, but what are
some of the things that you did to at

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least start that process going again
to start changing the crap around?

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That's a great question because,
you know, it ain't about just.

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The drugs and alcohol, putting
the drugs and alcohol down.

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That was the easy part.

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I had to start working on myself,
peeling the onion back and taking stock

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of who I was doing daily inventory
to make changes in my life, right?

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Because I had to learn to, to, to
really change my thought pattern.

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I had to have a complete paradigm shift
or there wasn't going to be a change

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because I could give up drugs and alcohol,
but be the same person that I was, have

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the same characteristics, same character
defects and allowing them to control

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and dictate my future and thinking
that I'm a victim of my circumstances

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and conditions, but learning that I'm
not a victim of my circumstances and

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conditions, they don't control who I am.

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I control my own destiny was
a big part of it because.

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Realizing how powerful the story that
I tell myself is was crucial because

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you could cripple yourself from the
story that you continue to tell yourself

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because our thoughts become our emotions,
those emotions become our reactions,

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and those reactions become our reality,
which becomes our result in life.

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And learning to, to really see
how that works, Man, that, that

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took work and some deep digging
to be able to get to that point.

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Yeah.

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It's not, and it's not easy.

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You know, it's, it's not easy to do.

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It's a lot of hard work.

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And it's like one of the biggest
things for me, and I guarantee for

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you, cause I think this is just the
way it is, is until I took a hundred

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percent responsibility in all this
shit that was happening in my life.

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Until I understood that it was me that
was causing it, me that was driving it, me

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that, you know, until I took 100 percent
responsibility, nothing really changed.

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And, and again, if I'm blaming
other people and, and, you know,

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putting the blame on, on others,
I'm never going to look inside.

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I'm never going to be able to
make the decisions that I need to

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make because it's not my fault.

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Someone else did this.

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This is, you know, current administration.

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This is, you know, my parents, you know,
the bad parents, whatever it is, but

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until you know, it's all 100 percent me.

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Yeah, man, that's a big one, right?

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Taking responsibility for your actions is
so crucial because it's easy, especially

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when we're in, in, in that, on that
wavelength of, you know, drugs and

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alcohol, it's easy to, to put, put the
blame game pointed at everybody else.

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But learning that shit,
it ain't everybody else.

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I'm the problem.

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I have to change who I am is, is,
man, that's such an aha moment.

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In life, when you're able to realize
that and start learning to take those

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responsibilities for your action.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so I think it's for me, at least,
you know, you talk about living

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life on purpose and what that does.

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And for me, you know, the way I'm looking
at that is, If I don't do things on

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purpose, if I don't, if I don't design
my life on purpose, if I don't design it

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on the way that I want it to be, and I'm
not living on purpose, then I'm going

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to be living on someone else's purpose.

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It's like, if I'm not doing it, if
I don't have the design, I'm just

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going to, all the shit that happens,
you know, Sean, that's just fate.

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That's just how the cookie crumbled
for you, Sean, because if I'm not

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designing exactly the way I want it
to be, uh, then it's, well, that's

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just the way it is, Sean, that's,
you know, that's, that's how it is.

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Have fun.

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Good luck.

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You know, so for you, what, what
does living on purpose mean for you?

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Like, I know now you are, you
are absolutely living on purpose.

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What does that mean to Joe?

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Living on purpose means
doing the assignment that

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you were given in life to do.

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We're all given an assignment
from that higher source.

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I call it God.

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Someone else might call it the
universe, the infinite intelligence,

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whatever you believe, right?

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But being in alignment.

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With that assignment that you're
giving and knowing that you're,

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you're being of service of people,
adding value to people's lives

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and whatever it is you do, right?

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Uh, whatever it is, you find that, that,
that passion is important to, to know

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what that is, because let me tell you,
man, uh, you know, there's no drug, no

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alcohol will ever give me that euphoric
feeling that I get when I'm able to

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empower someone to transform their life.

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For me, that's the gift
that keeps on giving.

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And, and being able to really be in
alignment with that, where I don't need an

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alarm clock to wake me up in the morning
because I'm waking my higher powers,

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waking me up, telling me it's time to go
walk and live in your purpose, you know?

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So, so being in alignment, I believe
with that spiritual component is a

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huge piece of it because people get so
confused with this whole spirituality

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thing and try to compare it with
religion and it's two different worlds.

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Yeah, there's, there's a
higher source involved.

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Uh, and being on an alignment with
that higher source is crucial.

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Having that relationship is crucial,
but being in alignment with the

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assignment that you're given.

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It's purpose, you know, that,
that's, that's what it really is.

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Cause spirituality is also walking
and living in your purpose.

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So having all that
aligned for me is purpose.

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Um, and, and I've been given this
gift and to be able to give it

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back is for me as purpose, right?

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So finding what your gift is and how
you're going to share it with the world.

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I believe is, is what purpose is all
about because we're all given a gift.

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Yeah, I think every single human being
on this planet has a gift to give.

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And to me, I only think I not only
think it's a gift to give, but I

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think it's our responsibility to
give it not just it's not an option.

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It's not something we should do.

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We have the responsibility to
give our gift to the world.

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And that's just the way
I think about it now.

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One, during some of my coaching,
like I do, I coach people, I coach

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groups, I do mastermind groups.

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And one of the things that I always not
always run into, but a lot of times run

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into, especially when people are coming in
new from, you know, either this personal

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development, uh, but finding their why.

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It's like I, I get a lot of
people that come in like,

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well, I know I want something.

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I know I do, but I don't
know what my why is.

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I don't know how to find
my passion or my purpose.

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What do you think about that?

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Because I know you talked a little
bit about, you know, overcoming

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fears and finding your why.

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How do you, how do you define that?

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Or how do you, how do you do that?

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You know, it's, it's 1 thing.

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Like, people come up to me with
my coaching business also and

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say, how do they find their why?

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And 1 thing I always say is.

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Imagine you were told you only
had one year left to live.

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What would you be doing?

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You know, people don't like thinking
about death, but death forces us to focus

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on the truly important things in life.

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How do you want people to remember you?

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What do you want your legacy to be?

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Your legacy?

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I spent some time with one of my
mentors over the weekend, Eric Thomas

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and Jeremy Anderson at an event.

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And, you know.

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Your legacy, I think it was ET that
said it, your legacy isn't something

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you leave behind, it's something you
leave forward, because it's, it's for

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the future, it's for the people that,
that you're leaving behind, the people

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that are ahead of you, you know, what do
you want, what do you want your children

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to say about you, what do you want the
people that you impact around the world

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to say about you, it's so important to
realize that your legacy is something

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for the, for the future, not just about
your past, it's about your future, what

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you're going to leave going forward,

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Yeah.

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Your purpose in life, your
purpose in helping people.

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It's like, you know, one of, uh,
one of my mentors once told me,

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you are one generation from someone
not even knowing you ever existed.

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Cause if you think about it, your great
grandparents, you don't know who they are.

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You don't, there's, it's
like, you're literally one

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generation from people not know.

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There's a shitty thought to think of,
but I mean, we are, and it's like, so

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what can we do to leave that legacy
to, uh, to keep it moving forward?

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You know, again, everyone has a gift.

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Everyone has something
that could be a legacy.

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If they were able to, if they tapped
into it, not if they were able to,

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but if they tapped into it, uh, that
they could have a legacy of, of what

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their dream is, what their passion is.

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Yeah, absolutely, man.

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And, and that, that thing
that's imagine people.

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You're, you're one, one moment away
from people not remembering you.

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It's crucial because you don't
want, that's not what you

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want your life to be like.

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I know I don't, I want people to
remember me for the impact that I make.

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I want people to remember me for, for
being able to add value to their life.

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I want people to be, to, to remember
me for the service that I do.

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That's important to me.

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That's, that's, that's all
my purpose right there.

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Yeah.

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And I, so for me, I think as I
get older, I start seeing that

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I need to have this, you know,
this, this legacy to move forward.

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And to me, it's like, we
always want to recreate.

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And I think when we're younger, it's
with kids, with grandkids, it's like,

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we're trying to, you know, create
these things that keep, that keep

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going and going after we're gone,
you know, our family and our stuff.

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But then once you get past that kid's age.

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You still want to have, you still
want to birth, birth things into

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this world that continue to grow
and grow even when you're gone.

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And I think that's, uh, I see
a lot of people that get into,

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you know, when they're 45 and
over, it's like, okay, I've done.

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My creation, I've done my creating
and it's, you know, I've got kids,

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I've got grandkids, whatever it is.

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But now it's like, now, what now?

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Now, what can I birth into this world?

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What can I create in this world?

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That's going to keep going
forward over and over again.

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I think that is hugely important
for not only for humanity.

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Moving forward, but I think
really more for us to have

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that we are creative beings.

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We can't do anything but create.

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And if we don't have an outlet to create
and again, creating these legacies,

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again, to me, that is just like children.

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We are birthing children.

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We're birthing these ideas.

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We're birthing these things into
this world that should continue

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to go on over and over again.

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Absolutely, man.

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Absolutely.

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Uh, the, the creating is what we do.

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You know, we're, we're spiritual beings
living the human experience and what

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we're meant to be able to go out there and
create, create, not just, you know, the

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amazing little ones that we create in the
world, but also to create our own destiny

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and realizing that we have that power
within us to, to, to live the life.

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That we want to live success on our terms.

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I mean, man, that's such a gift, man.

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The power of choice that
we've been blessed with.

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To go out there and choose what
you want your life to be like,

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man, that's such a blessing.

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Yeah, and yeah, one of my mentors once
told me it's like, we, we, we do nothing

454
00:24:36,875 --> 00:24:39,085
but create, whether it's good or bad.

455
00:24:40,045 --> 00:24:42,095
We're creating either shit
or we're creating gold.

456
00:24:42,225 --> 00:24:44,204
It's like we're, but
we're always creating.

457
00:24:44,215 --> 00:24:44,964
We're always doing it.

458
00:24:44,975 --> 00:24:47,285
We're always, you know, that we do
nothing but create and it's like,

459
00:24:47,585 --> 00:24:50,885
yeah, living on purpose and doing
the things our way, getting our, you

460
00:24:50,885 --> 00:24:52,495
know, making the life that we want.

461
00:24:52,785 --> 00:24:56,635
And I think a lot of people take
that The wrong way when we like,

462
00:24:56,645 --> 00:25:01,645
for instance, when I say I want to
be rich, it's not rich in money.

463
00:25:01,764 --> 00:25:02,995
It's rich in life.

464
00:25:03,115 --> 00:25:05,254
It's rich in richness in my relationships.

465
00:25:05,254 --> 00:25:05,794
It's richest.

466
00:25:05,794 --> 00:25:07,425
It's like when you talk about food.

467
00:25:07,425 --> 00:25:09,365
Oh, that was delicious, rich food.

468
00:25:09,395 --> 00:25:10,685
It doesn't mean it was expensive food.

469
00:25:10,685 --> 00:25:13,425
It means it was full
of life, full of stuff.

470
00:25:13,454 --> 00:25:14,685
You know, that's what I mean by rich.

471
00:25:14,705 --> 00:25:18,854
It's like, I want to live life on
my terms and live it richly, not,

472
00:25:18,965 --> 00:25:21,625
not, not with money, live it richly.

473
00:25:23,285 --> 00:25:24,825
Yeah, absolutely.

474
00:25:24,905 --> 00:25:27,525
Um, you know, money, money's great.

475
00:25:27,745 --> 00:25:29,115
Listen, I've, I've had both.

476
00:25:29,195 --> 00:25:30,700
I've had No money.

477
00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:34,120
I've been broke on my ass and I've
had money and I'll take having

478
00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:38,700
money any day of the week, but man,
money does not buy you happiness.

479
00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:40,470
It don't buy you happiness, man.

480
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:45,900
And, and, and that's, that's another
big reason why I'm doing what I'm doing,

481
00:25:45,940 --> 00:25:50,830
you know, because my big mission is
to empower business owners and leaders

482
00:25:50,830 --> 00:25:54,370
around the world to overcome what
they believe are their limitations.

483
00:25:54,740 --> 00:26:00,020
So that they could live in purpose while
closing that gap between spirituality

484
00:26:00,020 --> 00:26:06,390
and true wealth, because there's, there's
such a disconnect there of like being

485
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:12,669
able to be spiritually connected and
also create wealth on a financial side.

486
00:26:12,669 --> 00:26:12,939
Right.

487
00:26:13,349 --> 00:26:17,219
And, and creating wealth,
isn't just about having money.

488
00:26:17,219 --> 00:26:17,329
It's.

489
00:26:17,770 --> 00:26:22,630
Being wealthy emotionally, financially,
and spiritually, and we've seen it

490
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,760
for so long, how many people are out
there that suffer from, they can have

491
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,630
all the money in the world, but then
there's a disconnect on the other side

492
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,449
and they end up taking their life,
they end up going to drugs and alcohol.

493
00:26:34,909 --> 00:26:37,560
I mean, we've seen it from the
famous people in the world, right?

494
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,520
Look at Robin Williams, guy had the
world by the balls and he took his life.

495
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,550
Chris Foley, another one went to
drugs and alcohol, took his life.

496
00:26:44,740 --> 00:26:47,129
And those are just people that
we know because they're famous.

497
00:26:47,159 --> 00:26:49,290
Imagine all the other
billionaires out there.

498
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,210
that are empty and they end up taking
their life or they end up destroying

499
00:26:53,210 --> 00:26:54,700
their life because of drugs and alcohol.

500
00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:00,119
So man, money does not buy you happiness
and wealth is not just about money.

501
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,780
Um, it's really about
having a wealthy lifestyle.

502
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,799
That's what I consider wealth being.

503
00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:07,140
Yep.

504
00:27:08,570 --> 00:27:09,480
Absolutely agree.

505
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,560
And I think that's such an important
thing to bring forward because it, it

506
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,060
is, it's a, it's a huge thing people.

507
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:17,455
And again, I think maybe it's
society Uh, maybe social media,

508
00:27:17,465 --> 00:27:20,065
who knows, but it's like people
think, okay, wealth is just money.

509
00:27:20,065 --> 00:27:23,375
It's, it's having the yachts and,
but that's not what it's about.

510
00:27:23,575 --> 00:27:24,885
That is not what it's about.

511
00:27:25,135 --> 00:27:25,885
That's not living,

512
00:27:27,955 --> 00:27:28,575
not living.

513
00:27:29,615 --> 00:27:32,725
But Joe, I want to really thank
you for, you know, for coming

514
00:27:32,725 --> 00:27:33,925
on the podcast with me today.

515
00:27:33,925 --> 00:27:36,985
I know that, uh, again,
I know that your message.

516
00:27:37,275 --> 00:27:38,645
Is going to help people.

517
00:27:38,765 --> 00:27:43,045
I know your message will help get
people out of shit and back into,

518
00:27:43,065 --> 00:27:46,925
you know, back into being themselves,
being, you know, who they are and

519
00:27:46,925 --> 00:27:48,845
for those, you know, those that are
listening, I'm going to put it in.

520
00:27:48,865 --> 00:27:50,495
I'm going to put everything
in the show notes as well.

521
00:27:50,495 --> 00:27:55,025
But, uh, to get with Joe, it's with Joe
Rivera dot com is your, is your website.

522
00:27:55,450 --> 00:27:58,940
Again, all of this stuff is going
to be in the show notes and Joe is

523
00:27:58,940 --> 00:28:02,680
actually giving away his three secret
pillars, uh, to creating true wealth.

524
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,840
We just talked about some of that and all
you're going to have to do again, this

525
00:28:05,849 --> 00:28:09,700
is in the show notes, but just text him
the word reforged to the, what is it?

526
00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:13,099
Six, four, six, four, nine,
five, nine, eight, six, seven.

527
00:28:14,110 --> 00:28:14,980
And you'll get that.

528
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:16,540
Yeah, get that back.

529
00:28:16,590 --> 00:28:22,160
I highly recommend that you at least go
get that because again, this is the one

530
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,100
thing I love about doing the podcast is
probably my favorite thing about doing

531
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:30,869
the podcast is I get to talk to absolutely
amazing people that have gone through

532
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:34,780
stuff that have created stuff that have,
they're at a place where other people

533
00:28:34,780 --> 00:28:39,680
want to be and for us, for other human
beings, the best way to get from A to B

534
00:28:40,210 --> 00:28:42,340
is to find someone who went from A to B.

535
00:28:42,815 --> 00:28:43,605
And do what they did.

536
00:28:44,525 --> 00:28:45,665
Don't screw around.

537
00:28:45,665 --> 00:28:47,475
Don't dick around with
all this other crap.

538
00:28:47,685 --> 00:28:48,265
They did.

539
00:28:48,325 --> 00:28:50,984
If they did these three steps to
go from A to B, you know what?

540
00:28:51,245 --> 00:28:53,645
I want to go with Joe because
he's going to show me what those

541
00:28:53,645 --> 00:28:54,825
three steps are to go to A and B.

542
00:28:54,825 --> 00:28:56,894
It's the best way to
get where we want to go.

543
00:28:57,245 --> 00:28:58,194
Uh, and that's with anything.

544
00:28:58,194 --> 00:29:00,425
If you want to go somewhere,
find someone who's been there,

545
00:29:00,914 --> 00:29:02,631
follow them, follow their tracks.

546
00:29:02,631 --> 00:29:04,895
It's, I mean, that's the way you do it.

547
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,340
Absolutely, man.

548
00:29:08,430 --> 00:29:12,440
Um, you know, that's, that's, that's
the way the most successful people

549
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,010
in the world have gotten successful.

550
00:29:14,090 --> 00:29:16,659
They, they watch the people
that have done it before them.

551
00:29:17,180 --> 00:29:19,960
And then they go and mimic
it and make it their own.

552
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:20,740
You know what I mean?

553
00:29:20,740 --> 00:29:22,280
And that's, that's what it's all about.

554
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:26,429
So don't be afraid to go out
there and, and, and get help from

555
00:29:26,450 --> 00:29:28,210
someone who's done it before you.

556
00:29:28,540 --> 00:29:30,530
I mean, people struggle
with that, asking for help.

557
00:29:30,530 --> 00:29:31,780
They let the ego get in the way.

558
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,580
That ego will destroy you, man.

559
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,140
Don't let the ego destroy you.

560
00:29:35,140 --> 00:29:37,910
There's nothing wrong with learning from
the people who have done it before you,

561
00:29:38,250 --> 00:29:42,380
especially the people who have done it
before you on a level where they fucked

562
00:29:42,380 --> 00:29:46,690
up and then they were able to get back
up and do it again on a bigger level.

563
00:29:46,690 --> 00:29:47,119
Yeah.

564
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,180
That's that's always part of success, man.

565
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:50,630
Yeah.

566
00:29:50,660 --> 00:29:51,960
And that's, that's what we got to do.

567
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,520
So again, thank you so
much for being on the show.

568
00:29:54,750 --> 00:29:57,190
And it has been great getting to
know you over the past, uh, you

569
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:58,620
know, the past year and a half.

570
00:29:58,620 --> 00:30:03,240
And I look forward to our continued
relationship because the stuff that, uh,

571
00:30:03,270 --> 00:30:05,059
that you're doing is absolutely amazing.

572
00:30:05,060 --> 00:30:07,689
So again, thank you so
much for being on the show.

573
00:30:08,939 --> 00:30:10,119
Thank you for having me, Sean.

574
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:11,019
I appreciate it, man.

575
00:30:11,019 --> 00:30:13,780
And I'm, I'm enjoying getting
to know you as well and looking

576
00:30:13,780 --> 00:30:14,970
to do big things together, man.

577
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:15,850
Oh yeah.